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and what is at stake for our country if we let donald trump become president. and finally as a member of hillary clinton's team i was so grateful for senator sanders speech last night where he laid out not just the shared goals that he and hillary clinton have for this nation and offering his support for her and was really proud as democrats we saw hillary clinton supporters come together to cheer for him and obviously you had senator sanders supporters come together to cheer for him. this has been a very passionate spirited important primary with a lot of important issues that have been, that this primary has brought to the forefront and i think that you know we should
all be -- there are few things as democrats we should all be proud of from this convention. one is that the senator sanders campaign came together with the hillary clinton campaign. [applause] without the very spirited and engaging debate that we had ending gauge primary that be have those issues would not be the forefront of the national debate and that's very important that they are and that we were able to produce that platform. second is that another core strength of the democratic party and american values is that we care about our children and we don't ever give up and that is what you are going to hear about hillary clinton tonight. her life that started working with the children's defense -- defense fund and the core value
of the democratic party and one the best things about america too. i think we should all be proud that tonight we will elect our first woman to be the nominee of a major political party. [applause] it's a pretty amazing moment and i think one that everyone as democrats and americans that we are following her first african-american president and the first african-american democratic nominee and the first woman president. i know it's been a very hard spot primary -- hard-fought primary and it's something that supporters feel passionately about the future of the country to be as involved as all of you are and hope that you want to
make as progressive platform into reality that you will join us in fighting for that for november. i can imagine anything that is more troubling that i have seen in my lifetime than the presidency of donald trump and the opportunity that we have. senator sanders, hillary clinton band together to take that party platform and to take the progressive values that are represented and not in the policies that embody that and get that done in november. so thank you all very much. [applause] >> thank you very much. i did a little introduction earlier. you didn't get to hear at all
but high in the delegation are proud to welcome senator john tester to the stage. [applause] [applause] >> thank you very much. [cheers and applause] >> ivan seanez mini-microphone since god knows when. it's great to be here. i want to thank you all. i will admit a major sin i was not there last night but i want to tell you on television or looks very very good and i want to thank all of you for what you did where the your party supporters are hillary supporters it doesn't matter. the fact is that in november we have some very very important elections and i've got to tell
you my real life as i farm. i will just tell you that i was cutting winter wheat when the donald was speaking the other night and i have got to tell you it scared the hell right out of me. this cannot happen. i'm telling you if this were to happen i would be looking at buying property and we don't want to do that. we want to stay on the land that my grandparents homesteaded but first of all for the folks in wisconsin, if you are from wisconsin, clap. [applause] i would just tell you this is no and that doesn't stand for exam become a stance for something else. tammy baldwin may be the best center in the united states senate. [applause]
when i took this job as chair some 18 months ago i volunteered for it and call me crazy and i am but the truth is that tammy is head of an outfit called our women's senate network and she is one of those people who do get stuff done and that's a fact. she works hard and she is incredible. [applause] so we thank you for sending tammy to the united states senate and i'm going to be a little bit presumptuous here. i'm going to thank you for sending russ feingold back to united states senate. [applause] i will tell you unequivocally anti-mom passed away, i got elected in 06 and my mom passed away in 09. i was sworn in 07 and my mother's favor senator even
after i was sworn in was russ feingold. that's a fact. we need him back in the united states senate and i'm going to tell you if wisconsin does their job and i'm confident they will, we will have russ back in the united states senate and we will have a working majority of democrats back in the united states senate after this election in november. [applause] but we have our work cut out for us and i will tell you bad in montana we have an incredibly difficult gubernatorial election going on and i brought these papers up because i'm not very familiar with scott walker but i'm going to tell you that i think we do have some connections with the governor's race in montana and what you have experienced in wisconsin. wisconsin you had hundreds of millions of dollars in public education, right? you had right to work laws
imposed. you had photo i.d.s laws so that people can't vote in a democracy, unbelievable. you had five planned parenthood clinics close in the last three years but i'm going to tell you what that sounds like too a montana and. it sounds like forte is running for the governor of montana and i'm telling you we don't want that. quite frankly he has done a great job as governor of the state of montana is one of the reasons elections are important. all we have to do is look at wisconsin and say we love you, we love your cheese but we don't want to be like your governor's office. it's just the way it is. [applause] so we are where we are today and i've got to tell you when i walked in the room and saw the tammy was speaking which i figure tammy would these be king which is good and then we got
tom harkin who was probably my mom second favorite senator behind russ feingold and in behalf the burn. as the burn here? but the bottom line is we have great speakers to hear from. they just want to say a couple of things. i can't tell you how important it is that we all come together regardless of who you supported during this tough primary fight, that we all come together and make sure hillary clinton is the next president of united states. it is critically important. it is critically important. [applause] it's not important for anybody sitting in this room. this is a generational election. there's no ifs answer but about it. has to happen and then i will also say 18 months ago when i raised my hand to go to the bathroom and harry said you are going to be the sec chair is really important that we get a democratic majority back in the united states senate and i will tell you why. [applause]
i will tell you why and by the way if you watched any part of the republican convention last week, you know why they are worried. we have got a supreme court that quite frankly hasn't been working for middle-class america for a long time. [applause] and this election it could well determine three or four the next justices on the supreme court and if you don't have a senate that will confirm those votes we are enjoyable. the senate is important and that's why tammy has done such a great job by the way helping us get the democratic majority back. they're a 34 seats up in the senate. of those 3410 of those seats are controlled by democrats and the rest, 24 are controlled by republicans that we have a target rich environment and we have some of us candidates running across this country that we have ever had. russ feingold is at the top of
that list and we will quite frankly get a majority back if you guys stay diligent and i'm talking about folks from montana, folks from iowa, folks from wisconsin, everybody. keep your shoulder to the wheel. none of these races or give me his. we saw what happened back in 2010 and if we don't stay diligent and we don't stay focused and we don't help our candidates do, we don't help them win in november, this country is going to be a whole different place and i'm going to tell you it won't be for the better. rum that standpoint it's a little bit scary and from the good standpoint we have it grates candidates and we have great people and we have great people supporting them on the ground and quite frankly i felt good about what's going to happen in november if we keep focused on the price. i just want to say thank you all and thank you for being here, thank you for what you are doing. enjoy the convention. this is a pile of fun, it is. it's good stuff and just leave
you with this. we have got july, august, september october. we have three and a half months. we have got three and a half months and if you think this is a party we went the first in november we will what have one hell of a party. incorporated you all. [applause] >> thank you. [applause] our next guest speaker senator tom harkin has served diligently for the last 40 years in our united states congress. he has fought for his silence, he has fought for students and he has fought for members of the disabled community. i would like to welcome him and it is my honor to welcome him here tonight, or today.
thank you so much senator. [applause] >> hello wisconsin. [cheers and applause] and montana and alaska. thanks for being here. >> martha laning you are a great great -- thank you and again let me echo what jon tester said, thank you 10,000 times over for sending tammy baldwin to the united states senate. [applause] now wisconsin made a mistake six years ago. this year if you happen rectified by turn returning russ
feingold to his rightful place in the united states senate. [applause] i served during his three terms in the senate with ross. i count him as a close personal friend and we have worked together on so many progressive issues and i know you are going to send them back to the united states senate. mayor tom barrett was here but i can't see where the heck he is, back here someplace. somewhere back there. thank you mayor and paul hoagland is here also for medicine, one of my favorite places in the entire universe and our family leader, peter parkin again a great progressive leader. [applause] and i know you are going to return gwen moore and ron kind and you are going to send tom nelson to the house of representatives this year. [applause] i got to looking at the lineup in wisconsin and hey you have
five republicans and three democrats. time to reverse that. it's time to reverse that ratio in wisconsin and look, i have so many fond memories of wisconsin campaigning there. some of you who have been around for a while supported me when i ran for president in 1992. i guess maybe i was sort of the bernie sanders at that time may be, i don't know but had so many good friends and what a great friend ed garvey has been of mine all these years. [applause] any of you been to the festival and mary belle? i spoke there a lot of times until they started scheduling it at the same time as my steak fry in iowa and now i'm no longer having steak fries i can go back to wisconsin, great group of people. i think about wisconsin and who
do i think about? i think about the progressive era. the things that were done in this country to regulate the utilities and get control of monopolies allied to monopolies workmen's compensation women's right to vote, all of those wonderful things led by progresses from the state of wisconsin. [applause] that's where it all originated. [applause] wisconsin second state to abolish the death penalty. think about that all the way back to that progressive era. you have been there. [applause] doing a little history, we started looking where i came from my great-grandfather came from ireland and he settled in a place near mineral point. is that right? mineral point. daniel harkins settled their and my sister-in-law doing some research found that he was a delegate to the 1847
constitutional convention before wisconsin became a state so wisconsin became a state in 48 and he was there in 47 and there were some records made and there was a record made that daniel harkins from mineral point a recent immigrant has spoken against a proposal to say that all emigrants had to be in wisconsin for 10 years before they could vote. daniel harkin spoke against that and said he was as good as any person in wisconsin and he had just come there from ireland and he should have the right to vote. [applause] and he won. [applause] so you can see my fondness for wisconsin is pretty darn deep. when i was first elected to the house i served with some giants,
giant progressives, people like henry royce and people like dave obey and my good friend that i got elected with father bob cornell. people like that they were there were great great congressmen and represented the progressive so well in the house of representatives. you know i don't know what happened, i don't know where this scott walker character came from but you know there were a couple of tips in history you know. did i mention joe mccarthy and scott walker? but then i repeat myself. [applause] anyway, i just again want to let you know what i'm doing right now. today the 26th of july is the 26th anniversary of the signing of the americans with disabilities act. [applause]
at a bill that i put in the united states senate. [applause] so, 26 years later they gave me a slot to speak today we have a whole group of people with areas different disabilities on the platform this afternoon to celebrate this 26th anniversary of the signing of the americans with disabilities act. i just come you know it is just made our country so much better and you know i think about it a lot in watching trump last week. i have never seen a crowd of more filled with fear and anger and hatred in my life. and i think what i'm seeing here yesterday and what i will see today, tomorrow and thursday is yes we have our differences.
we have our clinton people and we have our standards people and understand that. by the way want to say the sanders people who are here, in 1968 i got out of the military. i was so upset with the vietnam war and i had lost some money friends in vietnam that i immediately got on the campaign, mccain mccarthy. some of you may remember that. [applause] to you younger people he was the bernie sanders of 1968. so i was on his camp and we didn't make it. we didn't make it and you know i often thought after that that perhaps those of us who had been so strong for gene mccarthy or bobby kennedy as bobby kennedy got assassinated that year that maybe we didn't work as hard as we should have two elect hubert humphrey as president of the united states and he narrowly lost in think what history would be like if we hadn't had eight years of richard nixon and the
white house. just think about that. [applause] so i say to all of my friends and i'm a hillary clinton supporter but i say to my friends in the bernie sanders camp, bernie is one of my closest personal friends and that's honest and he and jane and i and ruth my wife traveled a lot together. we spent time just the two of us no press, talking about where we are headed and so here is what i say to my friends in the sanders cam. what bernie has done for this country is remarkable. how he has moved the progressive agenda in america, how he has moved our platform. this is the most progressive democratic party platform in my lifetime. [applause] so i say to you look, we have
got to come together. the other side is way too scary and what they would do to this country. so we have got to come together and support the nominee of our party. i don't know what wisconsin will do. i know in iowa the bernie sanders people are going to vote for bernie and you brought your vote here and that's fine. there's nothing wrong with that. as bernie said last night he's going to do everything in his power to elect hillary clinton president and denied donald trump that office and furthermore and i think i can say this without any conversations that his movement, his progressive movement alongside paul wellstone's wellstone's action movement and alongside the 21st century democrats which i started we are going to move ahead to keep the progressive agenda alive and well in america and we are going to make sure -- you know there's
an old saying fdr one of my favorite presidents, franklin roosevelt. you know all the years i was in office i always had my dads wpa car to my office to remind me of who saved my family in the depression, franklin roosevelt. you know i've thought a lot about it and i'm a big labor guy. i'm a big labor supporter. [applause] 40 years in the congress and i have a 95% voting record for the afl-cio and i'm proud of that, i will tell you that. [applause] so one time some labor people, it was about the time of the fair labor standards act president roosevelt said look fellows, they were all men at that time. we have come a long way. he said look, i'm with you and he said go out and make me do
it. go out and make do you do it. it's not just enough to elect hillary clinton as president. our progressive agenda now we have to go out to the country and make her do it and make the congress do it and make the senate do it, make the supreme court do it and get a new justice in the united states supreme court. [cheers and applause] bernie, i've got to get out of here. whoa. [applause] [cheers and applause] [chanting] bernie, bernie, bernie. >> thank you all and let the say it's an honor follow one of the
great senators in the recent history of our country, tom harkin. [applause] win tom tells you he is the labor guy he is not kidding. i was in many many closed-door meetings and there was nobody and i say nobody that five harder for unions and working people than tom harkin did. tom, thank you so much. [applause] i am going to be very brief. but first of all let me thank wisconsin, montana and alaska for your support. [cheers and applause] i was in montana. we campaigned and my wife jane did the work and alaska.
[applause] and that is where we got the largest vote so i don't know. my son is here, there he is. [applause] look i just want to pick up on a few of the points that senator harkin made and the point is first of all this is an unbelievably critical moment in american economic and political history. i don't have to explain to anybody in this room that while we have come a long way economically in the last seven and a half years a republican friends don't talk about it. they don't talk about the economy and that's president obama inherited and the fact that we are losing 800,000 jobs a month and that the world's finances were literally on the verge of collapse. that is what obama and biden
inherited and nobody but the most cynical people in the world would deny that we are in much much better shape today than we were when president obama came in, that's true but there's another church. there's another truth that also cannot be denied and that is what we are better off today than we were in the midst of that deep and dark depression, the truth of the matter is that for the last 35 or 40 years the great middle-class once the envy of the world has been disappearing. that's the truth. the truth is that millions of our people in wisconsin in alaska are today working longer hours for low wages and they're asking what happened. we have seen an explosion of technology, right? worker productivity is going up and that's a fact. why are people working longer hours for lower wages? it has everything to do with bad public policy.
[applause] and if there is a theme of our campaign, that theme is we have to think big, not small. [applause] you know, if we were a poor country and there are many poor countries around the world we would sit around and say well it's too bad. we can't have health care for all people. we can't have education or all of our children. we are too poor. we can't rebuild our infrastructure, we are too poor. well guess what? the united states is not a poor country. we are the wealthiest country in the history of the world. [applause] but the problem is, and we have to deal with this problem, that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, almost all
of the new wealth and income being generated is going to the top 1%. [applause] we have got to deal with that reality and that means raising the minimum wage to a living wage, in my view 15 bucks an hour. [applause] and i want you all to know hillary clinton is running against the guy who does not want to raise the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. in fact he supports the right of states to lower the minimum wage. we need pay equity for women. no excuse. [applause] hillary clinton believes that, donald trump does not. i'm the ranking member and the
senate on the budget committee so i'd deal with a lot of these issues. we deal with a senate budget. a couple of years ago the republicans pushed through a budget that would illuminate the affordable care act and throat 20 million people off of health insurance and i asked the ranking member, tell me mr. chairman what happens to the 20 million people that are thrown off of health insurance and by the way how many of them will die? no comment on that. that's the reality. we need as a nation not to be throwing 20 million people off of health insurance. we need to be moving in my view to a medicare health care system. [applause] [applause] hillary clinton, and that's
really all of us have republican friends and conservative friends and we like them and we disagree on policies and that's called democracy but where it becomes embarrassing and tom harkin knows this because he was in the senate and tammy baldwin does this. how do you make judgments about public-policy? you have got to go to experts and you've got to go to scientists. he can to public-policy without having factual scientific information in front of you. virtually the entire scientific community is in agreement, unanimous agreement. climate change is real, it is caused by human activity and it is already not tomorrow, today as all of you know, doing devastating harm to our country and countries all over the world. the drought in california, the
floods in miami etc., etc. all over the world and you have a candidate running for president of the united states who rejects science, that tells us that climate change is a quote unquote hoax perpetrated by the chinese by the way. you can't have a president -- when you are dealing with an issue in which the future of the planet is at stake. our job is multi-fold it seems to me. we have got to do everything we can to make sure that donald trump and my view is the worst least prepared candidate for president in my lifetime. number two we have obviously to elect hillary clinton number three we have got to as tom said
a moment ago, stay focused on our issues and force every level of government to represent working people. [applause] [cheers and applause] one of the at compos mentis of our campaign involved a lot of young people in the political process and we have got to keep that going. and we are going to keep that going. our campaign is going to transition to another organization which is going to support candidates running for the school board, for city council and for state legislature. [applause] if i have learned anything in this campaign and i say this not rhetorically but from the bottom
of my heart, there are wonderful people in every state in this country, really great people who love this country, who want to see this country become all that we know we can become so our job is to bring people into the political process, around the progressive agenda and agenda that says to the 1% sorry you are not going to get it all. this country, our government got got -- belongs to all the so let me can do the by thanking all of you for the support that you gave the political revolution and i continue to look forward to working with you in the future. thank you all very much. [applause] [chanting] [applause]
he wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars of tax breaks to the very rich. that's what republicans believe. this man has a unique feature. that is he is a demigod, a a bully and somebody who doesn't believe in the constitution of the united states. i want you all to think what it means to the future of this country if we would elect somebody like donald trump as president. it would be a very sad dismal future for our country. our job in a difficult moment is to bring people together, not divide us up. our job is to understand climate
change is real and transform our energy system, not say that climate change is a hoax. our job is to expand social security our job is to move this nation for healthcare for all as a right. our job is to draw in the rest of the world in passing legislation for paid medical and family leave. our job is to deal with the immorality of the level of income and wealth inequality that exists in america today. that's what we have to do.
in my view, given the ideology of the republican party which is an ideology that works for the rich and the powerful against the middle-class and working class, the, the truth is that republicans do not win elections , democrats lose elections. we lose elections when people give up on the political process and do not vote. lost in 2014 when 63% of the american people did not vote in 80% of young people did not vote. our job must be to do some very obvious things. number one we have to elect hillary clinton as the next president of the united states. [applause] number two, we have got to stay
focused on the most important issue. it is not just about electing candidates, it is about transforming the country. the media doesn't like talking about the real issues but that's what the american people want to hear discussion about. they want us to create millions of jobs while building and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. they want us to make sure that public colleges and universities in this country are tuition free they focus on the issues, get ordinary people and young people involved in the process, what we
are in the process of doing right now is transitioning our campaign into an organization that is going to encourage young people to get involved in politics to have candidates at the school board level and the city council level. the political revolution has begun and it will continue. i want to thank all of you, those who supported me and those who supported sec. clinton for your doing something that too few americans are now doing and that is getting involved in the democratic political process. all right. we have a great start.
let's go forward and elect sec. clinton and let us transform this country. thank you very much. [applause] >> how cool is this. >> cspan's life wednesday at the 2016 democratic 16 democratic national convention beginning at 3:00 p.m. eastern with a preview of the day's schedule and events. followed at 4:30 p.m. with all the convention coverage. wednesday evening speakers include president barack obama and vice president joe biden. senator tim kaine will also address the convention. thursday chelsea clinton introduces her mother before she accepts the party's nomination as president of the united states.
the cspan bus stops in philadelphia pennsylvania to talk about this week's convention and the 2016 presidential presidential campaign. >> the most important issue to me is gun-control because too many people that shouldn't have access to guns have access to guns and that makes me and many other people feel very unsafe. >> , state senator here in pennsylvania. i am at my eight convention because i'm a youth history buff and i like to come and be part of history. i'm here representing a district for hillary clinton who i think is awesome and inspiring and knowing the stakes of the selection i think it's very important to participate at every stage of the game. i'm looking forward to a great week. we will see you all there. i'm from north carolina, i'm a
19-year-old college student and i'm electing hillary clinton. i'm happy to be here as a delegate because in 2008i sat on the sidelines but this year i could to be on the front line and see history take place as a delegate to the democratic national convention. i'm ready to elect a true leader and that a tiller clinton clinton. >> my name is kim weaver and i'm the candidate from iowa's fourth congressional district. some of you may have heard of my opponent and he's one of the reasons why i am here today. part of that is because i want to be able to show the rest of the world that iowans are more concerned about finding solutions than they are about creating division. we want to look for solutions for student debt reform, medicaid for seniors and security for all families. thank you. >> , delegate representing utah. i ran to be a delegate and i
believe government should work for the common people and i decided to become a delegate this year because i want us to fight for the little people and i wanted to make sure that utah had a voice in the democratic process. >> voices from the road on c-span. >> with the democratic national convention on c-span tonight, book tv is here on c-span2 starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. tonight we will hear from several authors including eric the taxes, author of if you can keep it, the forgotten promise of american liberty. then then matthew desmond who wrote convicted, poverty and profit in the american city and the coal authors of the empire of imagination.
timothy egan has a book about the irish uprise during the famine of the 1840s. "washington journal" continues live from the democratic national convention in philadelphia. coming up wednesday morning chris potter, staff staff writer for the pittsburgh gazette will be here. then the juvenile for law center will be here to talk to their experience about philadelphia residents working on juvenile issues. california delegate and secretary treasurer will discuss hillary clinton and bernie sanders record on platforms of the labor issues. be sure to watch c-span "washington journal" beginning
live from the democratic national convention at 7:00 a.m. eastern wednesday morning. during the democratic convention in philadelphia, the atlantic magazine has been hosting a number of discussions on issues facing the candidates. today the mayor of philadelphia and the head of pennsylvania prince system talk about criminal justice reform with ron brownstein. >> good afternoon. i'm the president of the atlantic. welcome and thank you all very much for being here today. we are gathered to talk about ideas for reforming our criminal justice system. the topic today, rethinking crime and punishment is part of the atlantic's next america america series which looks at the united states through the lens of demographic change. over the next hour or so we will have three many panels on the subject. before we begin i would like to
thank the macarthur foundations, safety and justice challenge for making this afternoon possible. a quick housekeeping, we are in twitter at # the atlantic d&c. let me start with some facts. among nations the united states highest incarceration rate our jails and prisons currently hold more than 2 million inmates. it's not due to an increasing crime but harsher laws and longer sentences. racial disparity plays a role here. this is the story across the nation. the city is investing in the friday of strategy to reduce
jail population. we will talk about all of this and explore what change could look like right now. please welcome the mayor of philadelphia. [applause] he served for 23 years on on the city council before winning them election as mayor last year. they have called him mr. criminal justice reform and he has supported decriminalizing marijuana, eliminating cash bail for low-level defendants ending stop and frisk and a moratorium of new jail construction also, please please welcome the secretary of the pennsylvania department of corrections and a leading national voice on these issues. since taking office in 2010 john russell has focused on reducing incarceration while improving outcomes for offenders. join them in the conversation as
my colleague and friend. >> i want to carry the mayor's water but i don't to steal the mayor's water. good morning everyone. thank you. thank you for joining us. were excited to have this conversation which is part of our next america project at the atlantic which discusses the coverage of this issue. were talk about justice reform. the predicate of that is public safety. i want to start by asking you, react to the portrait that we heard at the republican convention, the state of public safety in america and in america's big cities. in philadelphia is it getting safer or more dangerous as the argument went in cleveland. >> first of all what happened in cleveland was an abomination i've never seen such hate and division and that's not what our country's about about. if it wasn't so serious it
would've been funny like the world what wrestling federation but the issue is that safety, criminal justice reform creates safety, not the other way around the more you lock people up it's not safe because you've walked more people up. i went into the correctional center for graduation, one of the programs was doing an event for some of the men who were incarcerated there, getting used to coming back in anger management things. it was a nice graduation and i'm having pictures taken with this young man and he's 27 years older sony's from south philly so were talking about the neighborhood. i said you're getting out soon, did you have a skill, skill, did you have a job, what did you do. he said i sold drug since i was 14. in other words i have never done
anything either have no opportunity or hope for a job because you're not educated because the government has defunded education in america, you go to the street and you wind up doing drugs and becoming drug addicted and then you wind up doing things because of your addiction that put you in jail. we have 7000 people incarcerated incarcerated in our system. 60% of them cannot make bail they have no job or family member who can pay their bail to sit for $140 a day before they can come back and see a judge. >> let me ask you, is the state of pennsylvania, you getting safer or is becoming more dangerous question. >> were certainly becoming safer certainly can't argue that there's a pick up in crime but
antidotes are what got us here. for decades of policy have gotten us a blow to system with no return on investment. you can make the argument on the right is it a good investment to invest $2.4 billion in the department of corrections we know low-level individuals who come into state prison come out more likely to the crime, it makes no sense. frankly the only path forward is data. with the data tells us, the pew foundation put out that the state with the biggest reduction in their prison population also experienced the biggest reduction in crime. this politics and fear really doesn't have a place if we want to continue to move forward and make better decisions. >> any thoughts on why you are seeing that? >> we've seen a decade of crime decline.
it's very easy to pull a statistics out and put no context behind it and say the sky is falling. put it in context. in context it's an increase but it still at historic lows. : >> >> to stop that from happening? the shootings are up and understand the disconnect with those of unfettered or talk to read crime being high.
[applause] >> we've got ourselves into lost and we are stuck here dealing with the carnage of gun violence when somerset county it is culture in family and i am not denigrating that they have to help us do something here. but will love amnesty at the municipal level because if you look at the reform literally it is an issue for decades. the first losses back to 1971 you have the period of the crackdown in court now another major reform effort so tell me what have you learned from the four decades of efforts what lessons have you taken? >> it was a mistake.
we spent $40,000 a year to incarcerate a person in seven or eight or 9,000 to provide 3k for every child in the city of $8,000 a year. no one seems to get that i grew up in the '60s and '70s and we thought lock them up the we are still digging out from that. [laughter] but now. we need to look caustically and the secretaries at the forefront of the state level these are human beings who have gone astray to be with him for the rest of your life.
we have to do something more inveigled to come out of that prison to have a high-school education in that facility over get them out with the average daily inmate care is higher than 45% it is down but still on those four biggest counties when incarceration and philadelphia is higher or almost triple the average levels of the largest counties in america then why is it so high? because the poverty rate is so high. if you fix the education the jail population will go down. but people in harrisburg would build a jail in the
second. the entire industry is based on incarceration there's something wrong with that. >> the average nationally stay at county jails is 23 days in philadelphia it is 90 days. >> why is that? >> cash bail if the judge thinks you are a viable rescue cannot make the bail a rather do that then keep them locked up 90 days. >> there is also a state effort of a working group that i believe is supposed to have recommendations for that legislative session. >> so to where is that ever going? >> it was kicked off that the goal is less crime san less victims we want safer
communities but to focus on population drivers with a criminal justice system to make better decisions to do that we need to make good decisions but the reality is he having a statewide policy so when that decision is bad forget a bad outcome provide no justice is supposed to be blind but it cannot be blind to the outcome so this focus is gathering data how we can make better decisions a very interesting piece of data can get at the last meeting looking at pennsylvania including county jail county probation state prison and state parole for the big driver for that is to have extraordinarily long probation part of that is
the state law allows for twice artificially that drives it up. >> one of the striking members of the incarceration rate is up 25% meanwhile the archean new jersey is down 20% over the same period what is your best analysis? spirit that is simple 2,090 basically shut down the parole system for a long period of time and it may increase that we saw 24 years before i got the job the population grows by 1500 inmates per year but since 2012 it is 1 percent per year production so we should pat ourselves on the back we have changed that and now we are doubling down by
focusing on the root cause. education is the root cause. so don't be surprised to have a terrible education system. >> county have an addiction problem? >> 70% 27 is mental-health soap for education that includes both addiction and mental health one of the keystones that we were focusing on the open your paid epidemic i have been in the round table's all over the state the first time i hear people say we cannot arrest our way out of this they are our brothers and sisters. i agree. they may not be from your
area and that speaks to the humidity of the people that are incarcerated that we should not judge people by their worst day but many is to be consistent. >> with your grant proposal 13% that is a stunning number. we are locking them up for selling drugs on the street corner? >> [applause] they have free stuff to give out a free sample and then they moved to the hero when. most are almost heroin addicted. so we have a huge problem coming to addiction with
alcohol 83 percent are arrested for possession african-american or people of color. of you want to address people's smoking marijuana go to the eagles tailgate but they are all white. [laughter] i am not judging them. but you cannot do the illegal pedestrians stopped on a 200 black kid with a joint in his pocket he is locked up with handcuffs. >> in 1983 with the municipal jails half are divided evenly in those are awaiting trial. now for those who have not
been convicted how does that compare to what you see in philadelphia? >> end what we're doing now is a court system than the prison administrator but it is up to a judge in what lovell of probation so getting them on board is important. >> you are developing the algorithm for what level of risk. >> i assume you are not doing bad.
>> and we are working with the experts to move forward. >> does that need to be made public? >> there is a bit of discussion whether using risk assessment is bias compared to the current system so the reality is with the doctor's office someone who is not a medical expert they put year through a series of test that suggests a path to make you healthier those that predict criminality to put you on the path less likely to commit a crime but it says
it is just getting them on that page where they understand this change will affect everything in a positive way. >> i assume it is to reduce the hardest part to make that happen? >> by common sense we equate anybody doing a thing for public safety to make better decisions and when we do that we have better outcomes so make good decisions if we don't make good decisions but if i am a rich guy who sexually assaults someone let your bale is 50 bucks mine is 5 million i am getting yelled you stay and. that is about money the system is predicated on
monday. [applause] >> you need crimes to go down? >> all i say is based on the outcomes of the measure the current decision on outcomes than we are failing. >> everybody is afraid but all of this imaginary so to throw away the key. that is not sustainable. it is not cost-effective when they stop that is ground breaking.
hoping for a different results but the white al, that you focus on is recidivism to say rephrasing from those i do not excuse their behavior nor do i disrespect those who are victimized looking at the committee of those incarcerated individuals to a knowledge the capacity to change how much comes from that ingrained idea that prisoners are not redeemable? >> that we can do whatever we want and what i had this groundbreaking thing about humanizing people they say whether we suppose to call them? what would you call a family member when they come out?
you call them by their name. we should deal with a focus and the outcome if labeling someone remember that of self-fulfilling prophesy what you think is how they will perform. as horrible as it is just because they are addicted does not make them a bad person. >> the hardest thing that i have to is hire people that have been incarcerated die of a stack of resonates i'll make of so-called today to retrieve employers to me a favor just meet him and take a chance and give him a shot.
with a tender 15 or 20 years ago. >> net of us are perfect. what is the trajectory? >> at the state level we are meeting with employers when you talk one-third of americans at some point higher summer with the criminal record lap 20,000 people this year there are people i would be happy to be a reference for we tried to focus on developing marketable job skills to take that reality based we're working with the gas
industry for the pipe fittings and warehousing we have for universities with that pell grant experiment the reality is if they get a college degree imprisoned. >> there are things that you can do but how is that national debate to move forward if there is a push back from the republican nominee to in danger you as a suburban family. >> philadelphia is an island. the rest of the state wants
to be crazy go ahead. [laughter] this comes as a sanctuary city real treat our people with dignity. >> it is the important part of the narrative is because the nominee says that there is a lot of republicans. for one individual. >> does donald trump remind you of rizzo? >> no. he reminds me of mr. mcmahon [laughter] he was the added wrestling fan. to watch these on television it is the fan base and the characters.
[applause] >> but first it is my pleasure to welcome from the macarthur foundation and is the senior research fellow. >> we are here to talk about the bipartisan nature of criminal-justice reform so we will do this with the speed is dating format to see if we like each other at the end so let's talk about how progressives look at criminal-justice reform.
many of you may not know macarthur foundation is a private foundation will have the luxury tour:anything but one of the number one of the priorities is criminal-justice reform. where progress as talk about criminal justice reform they talk about the terms of fairness and respect to tackle the hierarchy of values that finds itself replete in in the institution criminal-justice reform from a fiscal perspective do you talk about fairness and justice and equity? >> yes. the notion that it isn't
just a sense that i have but it is demonstrable the economy collapsed in 2008 were the criminal justice reforms in in the country in texas it had a budget a couple years before he and. it is not just tough fiscal argument. those that talk for think in a lot of different ways of social conservatives that talk about second chances for redemption ben but will we do about these families if they are imprisoned? that is a big conversation point did you talk to libertarians of that orwellian seen liking
animals with the government overreach even the tough on crime law and order crowd that some of these people who are low level of nonviolent offenders come out worse than what they started we're not getting those best results and that is a lot of the conversations. >> eric is convergence of values sometimes progressives, that the issue to focus on incarceration i have heard you cop an added nine dash zero lead from the perspective of humanity so there seems to be a well of good will of conservatives
and progressives perspectives that say it needs to be fixed right now there is a need for that political will across the country with the jails all the way to their recidivism challenge but it seems that there are remedies that could be all the way from greater support for a smaller amount of time whether jail or prison. so what is emerging right now the pro cop a and anti-cop what does that mean in your circles.
>> i don't like the framing first policy was wrong. for what policing has been intended to be. that is an old movement that is reborn founded in the 1800's to the community policing the famous line is the community is the police that is a misguided to the extent anybody wants to push that narrative table louis independence i just don't think that framing is correct. >> natalie that it is dangerous but people have to ruth push against man pitted
a way to say i will not say i can speak for people whose experience is not the same as mine but i cannot imagine people who live in a community actually wanted of police to go away. they want them to do their job they want to be protected and close cases to engage in the human interaction the intimacy so that better policing is enough that there of the entire front to read every point of contact to go back to cost seems it is fiscal
and human to put that fiscal and human cost and to that is not legitimate that is something we may not be able to handle. >> talk about incarceration rover overt been criminalization but because was of that change there is the entire system is and the timeline where certain things are made illegal you start to trigger the necessary criminal-justice complications. people bill remember the name eric garner from the staten island to was put in a chokehold by 80 a police officer and died. many questions surrounding that the it why in the world
was he interrogated for selling individual cigarettes on the street corner? why is that a crime? this is important to protect public safety. tactic is counterproductive leading to more into debt -- interaction oftentimes black americans that is the sin said it is appropriate of the incarceration of so of overt criminalization. >> what preachings to remind that they don't want to be over police but they don't want to be under policed but they want to find a balance in the context of the
relationship between individuals is their government then you begin to diminish that contract of the willingness to be governed that entire erred democratic experience is at risk. >> i will say we have to decide if we liked each other. >> we have two more minutes to decide. >> we're getting close to being an agreement to think there is anything that could derails the agreement at this point? what is the risk for consensus? >> i think the consensus is a sense we're at the infection point the conditions have negative
perceptions that there is nothing that we can do. one of the reasons we're here today is because 191 jurisdictions signaled they wanted to work on fixing their local justice to this moment in time? but we have to steel ourselves against the rhetoric a time in america a we have to turn ourselves out words to say this is a time when we convert problems people are focused
i doubt many people are looking at pierre south dakota. with the state legislatures have been uplifting. to have major criminal-justice reform bill. it was allocated to mental health treatment. things like this are happening there may not get those glamorous headlines but i am optimistic. >> even today with "the new york times" is the profile of the police chief from stocked in california who says he knows there is you wrote tolerance to drive crime down if it is legitimately engaged in and
supports that at the end of the day to control crime. >> i like you. >> i like you to. [laughter] [applause] >> that was great to. ironclad we came to a conclusion that we nattily like each other but there is consensus. to close out the strategies and solutions those to enforce the law or experience the criminal justice system as the chief defender of the association of philadelphia. [cheers and applause] >> representing 70 percent
read team did san organization working to curb employment as the philadelphia district attorney. as the diversion programs for non-violent offenders it is an economics professor from rutgers university. >> i got a callback. when we think of the overall issue if it is excessive, how much of a problem or a challenge is
defined by federal or state and municipal traces? >> i think most of the opportunities at the state and local level of the build up starting at the beginning to play a small role to address federal incarceration withy immigration issue states and local have always played the of the largest part of education in policing as the rules are the incentives that the federal government does with the constraints of the locality to provide
opportunities do research to support. >> those that have supervision on any given day the bulk of the growth is at what level? >> closely at the state level. >> as i mentioned to the mayor the number of people in the jail system the first lawsuit goes back to 1971 with the shift of policy yet here we are at the highest level incarceration rate how did philadelphia and get your? >> i want to include the atlantic and the macarthur foundation for hosting this.
domicile a day's shooting they are scared so how we get here generations our prosecutors before meet have of paradigm shift the insert in the debate let's go to jail for longer prison sentence there was more people on death row we have to use empirical data the struggle to see what works is the certainty f punishment so that new paradigm is to prevent crime and do all we can to reduce recidivism to help me
prevent crime invest in early childhood education. if you want to help me don't jump on the back of a drug deal those that have mental health problems that is a broad governmental choice waterville lovers under your control? >> in america and criminal-justice system we are involved in every part whoever i designate is decided what are the sentences? forty% of misdemeanors were through diversionary programs drug or alcohol
rehabilitation. then we will expunge the record. they have the ability to work with other people to prevent people from being arrested to create the diversionary programs. for if they commit another crime maybe he is in the public is very mad. daschle that shows us that if you send somebody to state prison for 10 years we have a ph.d. in criminality
we spend so much money doing the same thing that we get the same results not different results we understand that locking up people with social issues we don't need to do that in these areas but to invest that into therapist so that could address some of the underlying issues and. >> fell one very specific thing about philadelphia is the amount of time they spent in jail average was 23
days why is that disparities so great? >> we're talking about the overworked public defender so often times the data are waiting for all comes so that they cannot produce so while they have amazing disposition to dispose of cases more than anyone else with the methodical systems through 14 different hearings can we speed up that process we can have a
person the could be scheduled 14 times. we need to figure out why we are wasting time. >> a felony conviction is that your experience? >> that is the experience of the 350,000 philadelphia's looking at those that live in poverty to overlay the criminal justice interactions those individuals or family members personally i have been home over 16 years. has recently as two years
ago i was hired for the position i was terminated based on the 1994 conviction. i uneducated and ready willing and able but as indicated not a lot of people have been part of that system so to have very difficult time finding employment from time to time >> i have the feeling the answer is both but what is the bigger problem? horror for the employers to take the chance to hire someone the bigger problem is changing the culture that
for those under watching this event 70 million americans have been arrested or convicted some of the brightest minds in the world have been to prison so the second is the correct the answer in my friend knows 13 shot price and number one employer of people with felony convictions. that is his business model many are tremendous sales people. they have tremendous skills but they need to be directed to the right way was he hires them they are champions of his stores that is a tremendous model and as
a result of freddie gray's death knowing they he is investing in the community to recognize those business owners to promote that. >> we also need higher level of employment opportunities available for people who have high functioning skills as those with people of records are low and jobs but those economic reach middle-class and the chips and they are a second generation it gets frustrating whether or not they have the experience or the education that he cannot get that because of his
label. the problem that we talk about giving people economic empowerment. >> with those different levers available to reduce the burden of incarceration. how valuable would be to get a better handle to reduce recidivism? >> if they get would be extremely valuable and they don't think it is so difficult to do so. but recidivism is quite high after three years of release but that is misleading because most to enter the system don't recidivate just some of them recidivate a lot. over and over two-thirds don't even ted or 15 years so we to think of a bifurcated strategy so their
conversation in a way that is more productive. that is why it seems to change because we can address that we have to have policies in conflict with the criminal justice system talking about political will if they have been adversely impacted voting based upon their values those who would put forward the up platform to hold them accountable and to change political will. >> and then to change their behavior it is the great
thing to replicate to. [laughter] >> but if the goal is to sell people from selling drugs on the street figure now how to do that other than locking them up in prison for a long time in those consequences i stole an idea from the former district attorney she cop that back contract $3,000 year sending them to state prison where we had a recidivism rate of 63% so that was a terrible failure
summary of the program here called the choice is yours we take those young men into women who could go to state prison instead we were with public defender with that timeout to show up on time paul lecter palin's literacy training and job skills trading and then we expunge the record after one year. that cost $1,000 per year to do this recidivism is only 8% so let's use empirical data that is one example. >> but let's look at that date data more closely why can't we do that on the front end? when the kids are in school
be understand what their needs are and why can't we provide those services? we'll be having the system is child welfare of what the kids trajectory would be and often times those of the same people to the criminal-justice system if we put more resources on the front end you can stop the cycle and i don't see much correlation for those stakeholders' that take the population to identify them as the kids disability. >> but can you stop the cycle without the concentration of poverty? three-quarters of african-americans with the majority of the classmates qualify as low income he
could have a lot of the intervention in that school legally speed disappointed in the results? >> he said better than i could most of the city is at or below the national poverty level in the air in deep poverty stowe to address job opportunities are educational opportunities a place where everybody was to send their children. >> to piggyback where we spend the money is where we get the result i thought about the budgets of the criminal-justice system you are talking about a prison
system the city of philadelphia just passed a budget almost $300 million for county prisons with those drug-addicted individuals how much money are we spending for their reentry efforts and on the port communities that eventually end up in the prison system? we get a proper return on investment spending there is 74 order and safety. >> behalf to hold people accountable on the front end we're still spending that money though cook county is third to get the help that they needed early not to
hurt somebody you're getting arrested thank imprison. >> eric is the debate at the democratic convention of the crime bill but one thing that isn't is the revival we are seeing in cities showing that economic dynamism as all large cities have seen. in your mind had to weigh the importance of reducing crime with the overall crime? >> the reduction of crime from the early '90s to the level of the base '60s is tremendously important with economic development for
everybody sense of well-being so they could capitalize that on the overreach there are other things we could talk about that we will do that as we are part of that effort. >> really have two minutes. >> do we have questions? >> wine in in the back. >> actually work and i have the question about deprivation contenders in particular with direct violations we're be locked people up as opposed to giving them drug or alcohol assistance with potential
direct violations that seen in my mind to undermine those constitutional rights in the said intel proven in guilty -- innocent until proven guilty. >> there needs to be a culture shift we put people out on probation they are not boy scouts or wall street executives we have to understand progress we need to have tolerance i know of innocent until proven guilty but the back end of a person's sentence for those to continue to punish people and they have found there
are 900 legislative acts that affect people with criminal justice records that is a lot of legislation pushed out to people who don't cd impact and some of that is if there was no tolerance to people on probation we can recognize progress because they lose so much more. >> also it will help us reduce talk about the prison population those that our awaiting trial or found to be in violation. we can address that through the reporting centers the reason why we have failed to
have a record of failing to appear to a lot of people instead of locking them up and give the medicine we can have them go to a place where they will have to lose their job for their apartment the make dash literacy training drove out of college diction. >> canby's shake on that? >> those that had a convention last week is saved money with greater outcomes. >> said hall then issue like
clinton and arafat. >> said reducing the jail population by one-third what is the biggest obstacle? to take it on his luck at the practices the data center store enough to have that on the back and get on the front end. soulless missing that pc will not understand how that works so to reallocate its 300 million for state roads is too much money a portion of those moneys the to go to the litany of other things
to have the opportunity. >> we will be successful our success will take a political will of that empirical data not just the adversarial relationships airline macarthur gave us the grant for hope for other jurisdictions for what they can do. >> you think that pass plays you out or you would be calibrated as to go? survey are bomb data and have pickup's along the way it is that the case?
is important and it ties into the theme of the book. ion introducing myself first i did that the last time, let me back up if you don't know what socrates in the city is people have now idea i want to say first of all, thank you for wrapping up the early bird dinner i appreciate that it is tough to pull yourself away golden corral is tough to pull yourself away. [laughter] sees bin in gets mighty river cry has been there before but i want to say this is any event but it is little different.